Climate Science and the Myths of Renewable Breakthrough in renewable energy - VPRO 9 months ago   45:16

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Steve Goreham is a speaker, an author, a researcher on environmental issues, and an independent columnist. He’s the Executive Director of the Climate Science Coalition of America, a non-political association dedicated to informing about the realities of climate science and energy economics. Steve gave this presentation at the Friends of Science 'Climate Dogma Exposed' event in Calgary on May 9th 2017. He says "contrary to what your political leader, professor, and newspaper tell you, global warming is dominated by natural factors. As a result, thousands of climate and energy laws across hundreds of nations, all summed together, are not going to have a measureable effect on Earth’s temperatures."

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Roger Diogo
Scientists were ABSOLUTE sure, the CO2 causes warming, and would progressively get worst, How the explain the drop in the temperatures Worldwide NOW? BY adding a new escape goat, the ocean ate the warming, LOL!
Thanks for your lecture Steve: well presented and thought-provoking.
Greg Poirier
It doesn't matter WHO is responsible, man or Nature.......what matters is WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT IT ?
Peter Staniforth
11:15 Steve Goreham makes the following false statement "Yet today's climate scientists are obsessed with the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, a very small part of the overall picture"

Prior to this he had mentioned climate changes in the previous 10,000 years and that there are many components that affect the climate system.

1) The implication is that somehow climate scientists had ignored all this information, which is false
2) Climate scientists are not "obsessed" with C02. It is simply the fact that meticulous scientific research in recent decades has led to the clear conclusion that the current rise in global temperature is mainly due to manmade C02 emissions. Not an obsession just scientific fact.
Peter Staniforth
3:57 Steve Goreham introduces a "red-herring". He presents a graph showing the average diurnal temperature range for Chicago, superimposes a thin line which illustrates global warming of just under 1 degree Celsius to imply that a 1 degree increase in global warming is insignificant.

The truth is that the daily temperature range of Chicago is an irrelevance when it comes to global warming. A small increase in temperature on a global scale can have a massive impact on the planet's large ecosystems. Here is a link to what some may regard as an "alarmist" website. It may provide an antidote to Steve Goreham's smug complacency.

It would have probably been more relevant if Steve Goreham had provided a comparison between Chicago's diurnal temperature range which is moderated by the earth's atmsphere and the moon's diurnal temperature range where there is virtually no atmosphere - 10 degrees as opposed to over 250 degrees centigrade.

Takeaway. It is probably foolish to mess with the earth's atmoshpere.
Peter Staniforth
3:39 "There is no empirical evidence that increasing greenhouse gases are the primary cause of global warming." False statement. There is considerable empirical evidence. Steve Goreham, along with other libertarians, choose to ignore it because their agenda is politically driven not driven by scientific facts.
Stanley Cates
My bias is confirmed ha ha ha - UN money grab as they brainwash school kids and those seeking funding to confirm CAGW
Really Reals
People r so ignorant. 2x the amount of thumbs down versus thumbs up. How can this be? It's obvious from the Paris accord fiasco and the charts giving missing data that our climate changes naturally over time. Soon we will find that pattern master it and be aware of all processes and climate change will be seasons we can measure and expect. Stop being a douchebag all you climate change alarmists. What you should worry about is methane. Why is noone speaking on methane bubbles in melting ice???
s j
The left went green.
The left has done so bad last century. Causing Millions deaths.
National Socialism. Bolshewism. Communism. Plain Socialism. Now a new strategy is rising. The Green revolution. It will lead to death again. The wealth creation and constant food supply will come to an end if the Green idieology takes over. The man kind is still growing. If we cannot feed them civil war will be the result.
Earth Man
Is this where I come to learn how to cook the perfect steak?
Alan Blanes
This does not appear to encourage things that people could be doing to offset natural de-glaciation, that traditionally affects coastlines. Maybe we could do something positive that would allow for continents to absorb way more water in aggressive reforestation, and using captured CO2 to help build soil to create afforestation - new forests in completely barren regions. This could be a byproduct of the new full carbon capture electricity plants as are the only kind China is now building.
bipola telly
"Dr" David Suzuki thinks "fossil" fuels exist!
He must be stupid.
9:07 the funny thing about the Mendenhall Glacier is the adjacent glaciers to the southeast named the Taku and Norris glacier, which originate in the same snow pack as Mendenhall, have extended 4 km in the same period Mendenhall has retreated which means the total glacial volume there has actually increased, but the tourist exhibit there doesn't tell you that, they just promote some apocalyptic doomsday scenario. What a scam.
al gow
It was said about taxes "If they could figure out how to tax the air you breath, they would".
Well they have, and that's the carbon tax. I jokingly said " This CO2 gang is public enemy number one, and carbon is the chief villain. But hang on a minute, what about his pal O2 ? We need to address this, and launch a war on this O2 character as well."

Sadly, the number of people that would take me seriously, in this day an age, is too large and depressing to imagine.
Alien Scientist
How much is our breath tax going to cost us?
Oil industry lies and cherry-picked data designed to mislead. Shameful. How do you sleep at night, Steve Goreham?
Roger Fjellstad Olsen
The video is a sewer stream of lies.
Even fake Time magazine covers are used:
A doctored TIME magazine cover warns of a coming ice age. But the reality remains that the world is warming, thanks chiefly to human action.
Peter Gwynne, the man who wrote The Cooling world article, is rebutting his own story:
"My 1975 'Cooling World' Story Doesn't Make Today's Climate Scientists Wrong - It's time for deniers of human-caused global warming to stop using an old magazine story against climate scientists."
"In retrospect, I was over-enthusiastic in parts of my Newsweek article. Thus, I suggested a connection between the purported global cooling and increases in tornado activity that was unjustified by climate science. I also predicted a forthcoming impact of global cooling on the world’s food production that had scant research to back it.[...] Our climate is warming -- not cooling, as the original story suggested" Peter Gwynne 2014.
Newsweek is also rebutting their own story:
Roger Fjellstad Olsen
The (professional) Denial for profit movement is simply:
Not wanting to take responibility for these problems is the root of the Denial for profit movement.

To get support for their self interests, corporate fossil fuel industry have since day one hidden those interest inside ideology and politics. Numerous front groups, think tanks and astroturf organizations working non stop to create propaganda designed to connect with their tribe and as many members of the public they can.

The first thing they did was to rename environmental laws for “tax scams” and add a few drops of socialist fear mongering to pander people who already are in distrust of governments and “communism” (which is ironic because most americans love socialism and dont know what socialism really is).

And fossil fuels gladly take trillions in government socialist subsidies and spend billions on lobbying and bribing politicians while at the same time they’re complaining AGW is a “socialist hoax” and the science of climate change “has become so political.”


Libertarian and free-market ideology has traditionally had difficulty dealing with negative externalities, as detailed in the non-libertarian FAQ; denial allows a person to simply ignore the limitations of their ideology.

American conservatives in particular tend to distrust government, dislike regulations and hate taxes, so that any problem whose solution is a tax or a regulation naturally attracts distrust.

The Denial for profit movement has, naturally, exploited these conservative values. Most of the propaganda they create is simply pandering to their tribe.
Roger Fjellstad Olsen
LOL. Creationist nonsense. A political manifesto from the polluters industries who are clutching on to their industrial capitalism built on cheap dirty fossil fuels.
Pandering propaganda tailor made and aimed at their low educated wingnut sheeple tribe of bent over disposable useful idiots who needs this pulp to fill the holes in their ideology, to justify their denial so they can keep on blaming every problem in the world on "poor people" and immigrants.

But actually the message they stand for--loud and clear--is really this at it's root: "I'm too selfish to care about after I'm dead, and I want to concentrate on my personal short term economic interests instead."

And this shameful anti science movement will soon be dead.

"global warming is dominated by natural factors".

How convenient for the fossil fuel industry ay?

“It’s not surprising that high-profile deniers are almost exclusively conservative white men, since they have most benefited from the industrial capitalist system, and therefore have the most skin in the game when it comes to protecting the powers that be — even if they aren’t those powers."

[...] “conservative white males are likely to favour protection of the current industrial capitalist order which has historically served them well”. It added that “heightened emotional and psychic investment in defending in-group claims may translate into misperceived understanding about problems like climate change that threaten the continued order of the system.”
Tell me are we going to be good In 2030 etc I am paranoid ☹️
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Breakthrough in renewable energy - VPRO Climate Science and the Myths of Renewable 9 months ago   46:11

It’s not in the papers but a silent revolution is moving across the world. Renewable energy is becoming cheaper than from fossil fuels. It means that progressively the choice for wind and solar energy is no longer an ethical one but an economic one. And this will speed up the transfer to renewable energy.

In countries like Brazil, Australia, Chile and parts of the United States people consider renewable energy because of financial reasons. The price of solar and wind energy will continue to drop and in more countries renewable energy will occur.

A surprising newcomer on the market is Morocco, where the government expects that in 2020 more than 40 percent of the energy could come from solar energy.

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