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Steve Goreham is a speaker, an author, a researcher on environmental issues, and an independent columnist. He’s the Executive Director of the Climate Science Coalition of America, a non-political association dedicated to informing about the realities of climate science and energy economics. Steve gave this presentation at the Friends of Science 'Climate Dogma Exposed' event in Calgary on May 9th 2017. He says "contrary to what your political leader, professor, and newspaper tell you, global warming is dominated by natural factors. As a result, thousands of climate and energy laws across hundreds of nations, all summed together, are not going to have a measureable effect on Earth’s temperatures."
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SwiftlyTiltingPlanet
Oil industry lies and cherry-picked data designed to mislead. Shameful. How do you sleep at night, Steve Goreham?
Roger Fjellstad Olsen
The video is a sewer stream of lies.
Even fake Time magazine covers are used:
A doctored TIME magazine cover warns of a coming ice age. But the reality remains that the world is warming, thanks chiefly to human action.
http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/sorry-a-time-magazine-cover-did-not-predict-a-coming-ice-age/
http://www.snopes.com/the-coming-ice-age/
Peter Gwynne, the man who wrote The Cooling world article, is rebutting his own story:
"My 1975 'Cooling World' Story Doesn't Make Today's Climate Scientists Wrong - It's time for deniers of human-caused global warming to stop using an old magazine story against climate scientists."
"In retrospect, I was over-enthusiastic in parts of my Newsweek article. Thus, I suggested a connection between the purported global cooling and increases in tornado activity that was unjustified by climate science. I also predicted a forthcoming impact of global cooling on the world’s food production that had scant research to back it.[...] Our climate is warming -- not cooling, as the original story suggested" Peter Gwynne 2014.
https://www.insidescience.org/news/my-1975-cooling-world-story-doesnt-make-todays-climate-scientists-wrong
Newsweek is also rebutting their own story:
http://www.newsweek.com/climate-change-prediction-perils-111927
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Roger Fjellstad Olsen
The (professional) Denial for profit movement is simply:
THE AMERICAN FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY ATTACKING ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS and REGULATIONS WHICH THREATENS THEIR MONEY FLOW
Not wanting to take responibility for these problems is the root of the Denial for profit movement.


To get support for their self interests, corporate fossil fuel industry have since day one hidden those interest inside ideology and politics. Numerous front groups, think tanks and astroturf organizations working non stop to create propaganda designed to connect with their tribe and as many members of the public they can.


The first thing they did was to rename environmental laws for “tax scams” and add a few drops of socialist fear mongering to pander people who already are in distrust of governments and “communism” (which is ironic because most americans love socialism and dont know what socialism really is).

And fossil fuels gladly take trillions in government socialist subsidies and spend billions on lobbying and bribing politicians while at the same time they’re complaining AGW is a “socialist hoax” and the science of climate change “has become so political.”

Hilarious.

Libertarian and free-market ideology has traditionally had difficulty dealing with negative externalities, as detailed in the non-libertarian FAQ; denial allows a person to simply ignore the limitations of their ideology.

American conservatives in particular tend to distrust government, dislike regulations and hate taxes, so that any problem whose solution is a tax or a regulation naturally attracts distrust.

The Denial for profit movement has, naturally, exploited these conservative values. Most of the propaganda they create is simply pandering to their tribe.


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Roger Fjellstad Olsen
LOL. Creationist nonsense. A political manifesto from the polluters industries who are clutching on to their industrial capitalism built on cheap dirty fossil fuels.
Pandering propaganda tailor made and aimed at their low educated wingnut sheeple tribe of bent over disposable useful idiots who needs this pulp to fill the holes in their ideology, to justify their denial so they can keep on blaming every problem in the world on "poor people" and immigrants.


But actually the message they stand for--loud and clear--is really this at it's root: "I'm too selfish to care about after I'm dead, and I want to concentrate on my personal short term economic interests instead."


And this shameful anti science movement will soon be dead.


"global warming is dominated by natural factors".


How convenient for the fossil fuel industry ay?


“It’s not surprising that high-profile deniers are almost exclusively conservative white men, since they have most benefited from the industrial capitalist system, and therefore have the most skin in the game when it comes to protecting the powers that be — even if they aren’t those powers."

[...] “conservative white males are likely to favour protection of the current industrial capitalist order which has historically served them well”. It added that “heightened emotional and psychic investment in defending in-group claims may translate into misperceived understanding about problems like climate change that threaten the continued order of the system.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/.../pii/S095937801100104X
Jeffy
Tell me are we going to be good In 2030 etc I am paranoid ☹️
Andras Libal
Anyone here in 2019 ... we just were supposed to witness the end of snow by now.
This winter had record snows. Also, it's May and there has been a 117 year record-breaking snowstorm in Minnesota.
Hamish Mctavish
Next is plastic tax! Meat tax! O2tax.
Jason
Hey Davie. You gave 5 kids.
Why do you think that YOU are better than everybody else that your upper middle class lifestyle times 5 is good for you..but you want everyone else to have no more than 2 kids? JACKASS
SwiftlyTiltingPlanet
Utterly ignores the actual and most recent climate data. Nearly every fact Goreham presents is either wrong, misleading, or a lie of omission.
Bock Keat
This man in jacket is a liar. He starts off by stating that Chicago's average temperature has not changed much from 1872 to 2008 and hence leading the audience to think that there is no real global warming.

Climate is not about the average temperature of one place but the entire planet. Just this fact alone is enough to tell me that he is not even qualified to teach science in any level of education.
afourtrackmind
Holy fuck, what a bunch of bullshit. You guys are fucking idiots. We are causing warming.
Rollin Shultz
The entire renewable game runs on cheats. It was never intended for any one type of system to be large scale such as solar farms for example. Back in the 60s and 70s when we back yard engineers were developing renewables for homes, it was always intended to be homeowner produced and hybrid systems that took advantage of site specific resources. The idea was to make homeowners (homesteaders) free of public utility bills and self sustaining.
Renewables a.k.a. alternative energy producers, were never proposed to eliminate other methods such as the common millennial long fireplace. All types of energy production and alternative building initiatives were on the table. So what happened? The mega energy corporations lobbied (bribed) congress and DOE to steal all the research grants so that they could develop methods that would keep those bills and profits going. The entire subject has become corrupted beginning in the 80s to present.
Jon Smith
Don't believe this crap, it's all lies being spewed by dishonest people. Friends of Science is working largely for the Fossil Fuel Industry and they don't care about us. If you believe this then you truly are a sheep.
Margaret Handley
If biomas is carbon neutral why arent coal and fossil fuels? They were life sources that collected and stored carbon and we are now releasing the carbon back into the world whoch is literally starving for CO2.
Margaret Handley
Its all the other crap we put into the air that we need to eliminate and reduce. The aeresols, the particulates, the lead, the mercury, the sufur compounds, etc are the pollutants of our atmosphere that we need to clean up.
Gary Walker
FRIENDS OF SCIENCE? FUCKING PSEUDOSCIENCE LIARS. FUNDED BY OIL AND COAL YOU ARE SPREADING LIES THAT ARE EATING AWAY AT OUR ABILITY TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM.
ATGS TECH
This is a conspiracy theorist hub not science (I mean you guys not Gore, he's cool, he did his homework.)
ADARSH SHUKLA
Overpopulation of human species is a much severe problem than global warming and pollution. Our dominating and curious nature is causing threat to 8.1 Million species on the planet.
SwiftlyTiltingPlanet
Beware of oil industry propaganda. This video is loaded with misleading data that climate scientists vociferously refute. Steve Goreham uses cherry-picked data, verbal sleight of hand and lies of omission to confuse the unwary. Go to SkepticalScience and get all of your questions and suspicions answered by actual climate scientists, not oil industry shills.
The Guru of Kang
When talking about the rise of the sea level, I wonder of the next information gets calculated in the model :
The more biomass (especially trees) the landmass loses together with the effect of straightening rivers etc., so that the water stays less long on the land, the higher the sea level will be.
Therefore, if you do the opposite : plant very much trees, slow down some rivers and create lakes or swamps where you can do this with a good logical plan, the lower the sea level will be.
I'm telling you that the biomass is a big sponge. Besides, we need a lot of nature which has plenty of biodiversity, so start calculating please.
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Breakthrough in renewable energy - VPRO Climate Science and the Myths of Renewable 7 months ago   46:11

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It’s not in the papers but a silent revolution is moving across the world. Renewable energy is becoming cheaper than from fossil fuels. It means that progressively the choice for wind and solar energy is no longer an ethical one but an economic one. And this will speed up the transfer to renewable energy.

In countries like Brazil, Australia, Chile and parts of the United States people consider renewable energy because of financial reasons. The price of solar and wind energy will continue to drop and in more countries renewable energy will occur.

A surprising newcomer on the market is Morocco, where the government expects that in 2020 more than 40 percent of the energy could come from solar energy.

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